Friday, June 30, 2006

Letters To A Missionary

A friend of mine sent me the following. Its a pastor responding to a missionary who is losing the Christian faith. There are three letters but I will give them to you one at a time. Some good stuff here...thanks Jamie.

Dear Kendall,

Thanks for your bio. I enjoyed it immensely. One short note of amusement. When I read over your bio the first time, I thought you said that you "led an inner city TORTURING ministry for three years." With what we northerners know about what is said about South and Central America, it seemed especially good preparation. {He had actually said he was leading an "inner city tutoring ministry"}

I was fascinated with what you said about evidence, and not even finding that sort of incontrovertible evidence on the mission field, where it is so often proported to be. Surely nothing that would convince your unbelieving father (who may be looking over your shoulder in your minds eye). But, I think evidence in the Bible is an odd sort of thing. I think everybody at sometime wishes to see the "incontrovertible", but the Bible seems to raise interesting questions about that. The three periods in Biblical history when there were plethoras of (presumably) that sort of evidence, it didn't do any good. The Children of Israel surely saw enough, one would think, to convince anybody, when they came out of Egypt. But apparently, very few believed. It hardly convinced a soul. And, of course the same is true of both the period of Elijah and Elisha. And finally of course, Jesus own visit to earth. One could set it up like this: "If only God Himself would visit us in visible form, converse with us, and display the very powers of a Creator; then faith would follow." Better yet, "I would believe." But everybody knows what the outcome of just that Visit was. He was Crucified, and the nation was HARDENED in unbelief. Just an aside: this is an odd literary way to treat these accounts of evidence if one is trying to persuade. All one can say is it is odd, odd, odd.

There is what amounts to a paradigm case in John 12. A voice speaks to Jesus that the text implies is the Father. But the crowd standing by said that it "thundered", or was an "angel." After that, it says that Jesus "hid" from them. And then..."Though he had done so many signs before them, yet they did not believe in him."

The point that I am making is that the Bible has its own internal "theology" of doubt and unbelief. And unbelief (it is plain as a pikestaff) is not some "modern" phenomena. In fact, one way to read the Bible is that it is entirely a book devoted to speaking to and exposing unbelief as the "normal" state of man. To be able to believe (the Bible seems clearly to state) is itself a miracle, and to not believe is normal, natural state of our spiritual diseasedness.

Pascal says somewhere in THE PENSEES that the true religion would have to be able to account for God's "hiddenness", because it is plain that God IS hidden, or He doesn't exist. (Note above that Jesus "hid" from the people, and it seems a metaphor for God Himself making Himself unfindable.)

If you will permit me to indulge myself a little, I want to repeat some things that I wrote not too long ago. John chapter 12 carries on with the "theology of unbelief", and it is at least worthwhile seeing what the Bible itself says about the matter.

To explain the unbelief, John goes on to quote Isaiah 6, which is Isaiah's call. Isaiah's call is a terrible one. He is called to preach, being told ahead of time that all that his ministry will produce is unbelief. In fact unbelief to the point that God will destroy the nation as punishment. Verses 9-10 of Isaiah 6 are a paraphrases of Ps. 115:4-7 and Ps. 135:15-17. Look them up. Both Psalms then go on to say, "Those who make them are like them; so are all who trust in them." I.e. if you worship a rock, you will become a rock. Seeing you will not see, hearing you will not hear. Rocks don't see or hear, and neither will you if you worship them.

In the Psalms, those ideas are applied to the heathen surrounding Israel, and this is why they do not see or worship Jehovah. But in Isaiah, this terrible reality is applied to Israel. Israel now worship idols, and now cannot see or hear. God is "wholly hidden." This Isaiah passage is repeatedly quoted in the NT by Jesus, especially in reference to why he teaches in parables (which makes his teaching "hidden"--Matthew 13:14-15). Now, an interesting question to ask is, why does the NT quote these passages in reference to the Jews of Jesus time since idolatry is precisely what they were cured of in the Babylonian Captivity? And the answer seems to be that there is a new and more damning kind of idolatry now than before. The Pharisees perhaps especially, became (in Bonhoeffer's words) "men of conscience". The law was reified, and human effort was exalted. The Jews, in-other-words, became their own source of righteousness, and did not submit to the gift of Divine righteousness. Put simply, the Jews no longer worshiped rocks and blocks of wood, they now worshiped themselves. The effect was that God Himself could stand right before them, and do mighty works of Creation, and they found it impossible to "see" or "hear" anything.

This is strikingly modern. Since the Enlightenment, Western man has progressively deified himself and his own reason and conscience (finding a kind of apogee in Kant). And through this time, God has become progressively more "silent" and "invisible". In fact, the odd thing is that in this condition, the more one looks, the more one listens, the more there is Nothing (and this follows, and is dictated precisely from the Kantian and post-Kantian epistemology). The most "intelligent" see the least. May I suggest, this is precisely the irony that the Bible foretells? And it foretells it as a judgment. Modern Western Europeans and (increasingly) Americans are the modern Jews. "They have stumbled over the stumbling stone, as it is written, `Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone that will make men stumble a rock that will make them fall..." (Romans 9:32b-33) Christ Himself becomes the source of unbelief.

Now, I live in Boulder, Colorado, and people seem to know all about Boulder when I travel around. Boulder is an egghead town and is properly named. It is as hard as a rock, and very few here "see" or "hear". I don't do very much evangelism here. I rarely try to win people to faith. Instead, I try to help people "see" that they are in fact dogmatic unbelievers. They will believe almost anything (New Age theology, "angel guides", astrology, Hinduism, Buddhism, as well as old fashioned university reductionism with the University of Colorado being here) before they will believe that Jesus is the Messiah. But there is a great deal of self deception. People here largely want what is promised with the coming of Messiah. They want Messianic results, they want some facsimile of the New Jerusalem (a little more psycho-therapy, a little more grant money---and it will come). People want it all without the Messiah. I sometimes work hard to encourage people NOT to believe, to be clear and honest about their unbelief. It can make people very uncomfortable. When they have to face it, a great deal of other stuff evaporates, and they are left with Nothing. This encourages me, because the promise that Jesus gave is that when the Holy Spirit comes, He will convict people of their sin, "because they do not believe in me" (John 16:9). People sometimes have to stumble very badly over the Stumbling Stone before there is any hope. Jesus has actually won. He has set the whole agenda. Unbelief in the end defines as much as belief does in the believer. It is a backhanded admission that Jesus IS the Messiah. After Jesus, there is Nowhere to go but Nowhere. It is impossible to go back to being a pagan. There is Nothing.

If you will permit me a little impudence, you are on the road to Nothing. You may still believe something, but if you are a careful scholar going the direction you are going, you will very brilliantly end with Nothing, and even see it as a triumph of the intellect. But it is not honest unbelief. It is the unbelief of the reification of the intellect and conscience. It is the unbelief that at the outset already declared that intellect and conscience are autonomous, and therefore BY DEFINITION have no need of God or of Messiah. It is a slight of hand trick. Let me by all means encourage you on your road. Do all you can to prove the text corrupt, mythological, late and unscientific. Carry your reductionisms to the utter end. There is nothing that autonomy cannot explain as autonomy. Good. In the end, you will have no reason to believe in thought or even consciousness (there is nothing there that cannot be explained and explained away by the geneticists, biologists,and sociologists.) But in all likelihood, you comfort yourself by wanting all of the things that Messiah came to bring without the supernatural Messiah. But stop kidding yourself. These are all impulses that can easily be explained by the psychologists, and sociologists. They are Nothing.

Rich
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12 Comments:

Blogger Charles D said...

This is an interesting letter. The author seems to be telling his reader that he is "on the road to Nowhere". As he says:

"you will very brilliantly end with Nothing, and even see it as a triumph of the intellect. But it is not honest unbelief. It is the unbelief of the reification of the intellect and conscience. It is the unbelief that at the outset already declared that intellect and conscience are autonomous, and therefore BY DEFINITION have no need of God or of Messiah."

Of course, the obvious response is "So What?" Clearly an individual's intellect and conscience ARE autonomous - They can either subvert them in order to believe in the mythology of the inerrant Bible, or they can use them to move beyond that world view.

What the recipient of this letter is unlikely to do is end up "...wanting all of the things that Messiah came to bring..." What he/she will do is realize that the Christ idea expressed in the New Testament has really nothing of importance to offer that cannot be gained by his own intellect and conscience. And what's more, he will be stronger for having achieving his goals on his own without reference to some Deus Ex Machina.

8:23 AM  
Blogger Dale Callahan said...

The last thing the autonomous man wants to find is the true ultimate authority...the Triune God who made him and upholds him every second of every day.

So he will use God's world, not give thanks, and think himself pretty clever...pretty self sufficient...

...but God tells us he is but a fool.

No matter how much clear evidence is put before him he will never come to see the "All mighty" one...why?...because then this would take away from his own autonomy...something he refuses to do.

But even though fallen man isn't seeking God...God is seeking fallen man.

God chooses to save some...even many of the fallen rebels...He opens their mind to understand the gospel.

The others He leaves to continue in their fools errand.

1:01 PM  
Blogger Charles D said...

The "autonomous man" wants to find whatever is really there. Since the "Triune God", as you picture him/her, is not there, he doesn't find it.

If God is seeking "fallen man", he's not doing a very good job of it. If God is "choosing to save some...[and leaving others]...to continue in their fool's errand" then God is a callous, uncaring, vicious cretin unworthy of worship. Which is it, Dale?

Why not acknowledge that your concept of God simply does not make sense, and go figure out what concept of God, if any, does make sense? Are you afraid you would have to take responsibility for yourself and your own beliefs?

5:19 AM  
Blogger Dale Callahan said...

The last thing the autonomous man wants to find is the very Being that is going to dethrone him in his wannabe kingdom.

This is evident by the standards the wannabe sets up. I'll look for a 'god' but will never accept anything that goes beyond my little minds comprehension or any God that will take away my "so called" ultimate authority and show me to be the self deceived rebel I really am.

You set up a false antithesis between God's justice and mercy.

Mercy by definition is not something "owed" to anyone.

God sovereignly and voluntarily shows mercy on a multitude of vast proportions throughout history...from every tongue, tribe and nation...but not on all.

God isn't obligated to show mercy on rebels...it is something He decides to do and it is something that He decides on whom He will show it.

Those whom God chooses get what they don't deserve...they get mercy.

Those whom God does not choose get exactly what they do deserve...they get justice.

For those whom God chooses He can show mercy only because He first paid their debt by coming to earth to pay it. He is just and the justifier of those who trust in Christ.

God pours blessings on you everyday and you drink them up, enjoy them and then spit in His face, then you have the nerve to call Him names and challenge His justice...I guess you will have opportunity to take it up with Him one day...although I am sure at that moment you won't have much to say.

I feel so shaken by your argument...my concept of God doesn't make sense...make sense according to what absolute standard of thought, make sense by what scientific laws, make sense according to what ultimate moral standard...oh right...you don't have an answer for those things...you just sit on your fence with your little stolen pea shooter...taking pot shots at the Almighty.

9:20 AM  
Blogger Charles D said...

I think your basic logic is that I don't want to find God because I refuse to accept illogical, irrational premises and preconceptions in order to find God. What that means is that God, or to be more precise your concept of God, is not real.

Since you cannot provide any rational argument for either the existence of God or your concept of the nature of God, you simply argue that looking for a rational argument is an irrational precondition. It is really a pretty ridiculous argument that only finds adherents among those already brainwashed into your narrow sectarian ideas about God.

As for your justice/mercy conundrum, you don't fare well there either. You portray a God who is just and merciful when (presumably) He feels like it and punitive and vengeful when he doesn't. It's a kind of manic depressive God subject to arbitrary mood swings. I guess that does serve to keep his followers in line.

12:05 PM  
Blogger Dale Callahan said...

and on and on we go...

My basic argument is that you use logic and yet have a world view that cannot account for the use of it.
You've shown this repeatedly.

Logic rests upon a worldview that has universals, absract entities, the immaterial or spiritual, absolutes...and your worldview runs contrary to all of these, if not, please explain it to me.

I am not playing on your rules DL, there are no such things as "brute facts" or uninterpreted facts [I talked on this many times before], all facts are interpreted by a persons ultimate beliefs or presuppositions. Therefore I am not going to assume you are neutral and really seeking the truth...because your not.

I am attacking you at your foundation...with a indirect form of argumentation...and you are failing...miserably.

In your last paragraph you were placing God before your judgment throne...tell me DL by what absolute, universal standard of fairness or goodness were you judging God by?

Oh, I forgot you don't have an absolute standard...funny.

8:35 PM  
Blogger Charles D said...

"Logic rests upon a worldview that has universals, absract entities, the immaterial or spiritual, absolutes."

Again you present a false statement and then attack it. Logic is "...most often said to be the study of criteria for the evaluation of arguments...the task of the logician is...to advance an account of valid and fallacious inference to allow one to distinguish logical from flawed arguments." [Wikipedia]

No universals, abstract entities, immaterial or spiritual absolutes are involved. In fact, they are scrupulously avoided. One cannot distinguish logical from flawed arguments by assuming facts not in evidence. You don't seem to be able to understand this. Of course, if you applied logic to your worldview it would crumble immediately so it's easy to understand why you are defensive.

You make this same mistake at the end of your comment when you say "you were placing God before your judgment throne". I was placing your concept of God in a logical framework and finding it lacking. It is your concept in the judgment seat, not God. Of course, it's easier to defend an attack on God than an attack on your peculiar ideas about God. Again the point of a lot of your religious ideas seems to be that God is ultimately responsible for everything and that you, fallen mortal human sinner that you are, are responsible for nothing.

7:59 AM  
Blogger Dale Callahan said...

I didn't give a definition of what logic was...I said that logic rested upon...

If you honestly think that the laws of logic are material and conventional then why are you talking like that there are absolute, universal laws of thought [concepts which are immaterial] that I am failing at?


You seem to speak out of both sides of your mouth my friend.

3:35 PM  
Blogger Charles D said...

You are failing to present an argument that rests on evidence and reason. Those are not "universal laws", they are the agreed upon standards by which Western man has judged arguments for 5000 years. You are not challenging those standards, you are arguing (without merit) that the standards devolve from your conception of the Christian or "Triune" God.

Such an argument simply shows your ignorance of history and your lack of ability to find a rationale for your point of view. I am not appealing to absolute, universal laws of thought - there aren't any. I am merely suggesting that you present your case in a manner that stands up to examination using the standards of logic every educated Western person uses to judge arguments.

If you are unwilling to do that, you are welcome to present your case for why you believe you are exempt from offering evidence for your assumptions and from arguing rationally from one point to another. Perhaps you can demonstrate why illogical presupposition and irrational conclusions are a better way.

5:32 AM  
Blogger Des Jones said...

"I am not appealing to absolute, universal laws of thought - there aren't any."

Huh? "There aren't any" sounds an awful lot like a universal law of thought. DL, considering that you feel that there have been no such things as universal laws in the past and leading up to this point, are *you* now qualified to establish such a law by saying, universally, that there is no such thing?

8:50 AM  
Blogger Dale Callahan said...

Tooooo funny Des.

I think you better take the plank out of your eye there DL.

If logic is merely the opinion of man...or western man...then take your pick on what laws you want...logic doesn't work that way...your actions give you away.

2:09 PM  
Blogger Charles D said...

Logic works on the basis that arguments need a rational, evidentiary basis for being accepted. You want to call that a "universal absolute", but in reality you want to avoid an argument that requires you to have some rational basis for your statements. You prefer to proceed to "defend" your position by making assertions for which you provide no proof. In most cases there is ample evidence to call those assertions into serious doubt.

It is you who demand "universal absolutes" and you would very much like to prove I am using the same technique - however, I have been quite clear that I simply require reason and evidence. Is that a universal absolute? I don't think so, but what if it were? If I conceded that reason and the scientific method were "universal absolutes", you would just shift to your other argument that all science and reason flows from your concept of God -- another assertion for which you show no proof.

You are caught in a circular trap of your own making. Your fear of discovering that your ideas about God are invalid scares you away from any rational conversation. You are so afraid you're wrong that you invent your own rules to circumvent any attempt to confront you with the facts. Don't live in fear anymore. Go investigate your presuppositions about God and the world. See if there's a reasonable basis for your view.

10:55 AM  

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