New Blog Deal
You will notice that I have set up a new format for comments on my blog.
The deal is that if you want to post then you are going to have to put some thought into it.
This doesn't mean thought into certain topics or areas of thought...it means thought into the consistency of your thought processes.
You want to come here and attack the Christian faith...thats fine...but you had better put some thought into "why" you use logic, science, and morality to do so.
If you just "use" these things because they work and don't even try to justify them...then you will remain silent...with my help of course.
Since this is my personal Web Log...then I will decide what thought goes here.
This is not some hang out for atheist to hang out their thoughts...especially thoughts that steal from the Triune God...and refuse to give thanks.
What I find funny about all this is I know that there are certain unbelievers out there who will have their nose out of joint for this new format...
...and yet these same people have no problem with supporting the State school systems that fights with all of its might to keep anything of Christianity outside of its doors...while using Christians money to support it.
posted by Dale Callahan at 6:05 AM
4 Comments:
Dale,
Does this mean that you will abide by the same rules? For example, will you not simply "use" ideas without justifying them? (Your interpretation of the bible is not a justification.)
Since you can't seem to win an argument based on reason and logic, I understand your desire to eliminate the need to attempt this in your blog. Constant frustration is probably not your goal.
Please feel free to go ahead and believe whatever you want in spite of the lack of proof, the inconsistency of your thought process, etc.
But this is where you are wrong DL.
The justification is from ones interpretation of reality...the correct or Biblical interpretation of reality.
You hear the atheist say "you put 5 different people into the room with the same Bible and they come out with 6 interpretations."
So does this lead us to discount the Bible or man's interpretation abilities?
It causes the atheist to discount the Bible and continue to trust in his own intepretation skills...hmmm.
If a person interprets the Bible to say that the universe is not created, not under the constant governing power of the Triune God, who is an infinite Spirit, all powerful, all wise, sovereign , then I agree with you...that person's "interpretation" shows itself NOT to be what the Bible teaches because that interpretation of the Bible does not "justify" logic, science or morality.
But a correct, historical interpretation of the Bible does give answers for the enduring philosophical questions throughout history.
If you are in rebellion against this God then of course you will not like the answers...even though they do give answers for "why" these things "work".
In my posts I have talked about how the proper interpretation of the Bible gives justification to why we can use God's world...you just don't to hear it...and I am not obligated to keep repeating myself while you sit there and criticize ALL THE WHILE not even attempting to "justify" your unbelieving stance.
Is it frustrating arguing with someone who refuses to even try and "justify" their beliefs...yes, very much...is that the reason why I have chosen to do what I am doing? Not at all.
In your mind you may think that you have won the day but as long as you don't even try to answer the "justification" question you have philosophically lost the day.
I am not looking for long answers but I am looking for an attempt for you to try to understand "why" you do what you do.
So please give an answer or be silent.
Dale,
I'm sure you believe your interpretation of the Bible is the correct one and I'm sure that many others with whom you disagree believe that theirs is also correct. The important point is that it is an interpretation. My problem with your interpretation is that it is a result of reading the book with a framework of preconceptions about what the book is, what God is, how God acts, etc., and thus you simply find written justification for what you already believed in the first place.
I have made several attempts to "justify my stance". I believe in evidence, logic and reason. I believe that humans are responsible for their behavior and in most cases are capable of behaving morally without reference to any external power. I do not believe that logic, reason and the natural order are the gift of a higher power. I do not believe that there is a higher power who intervenes in nature to cause or prevent anything.
I know you are frustrated that I'm not buying into your framework. I will not because it is not rational and is just circular logic.
DL,
You are correct in your assumption that I believe that my interpretation of the Bible is correct, and I also agree that there are those who disagree with me who think that they are correct. I will go one step further...there are others who interpret reality without the Bible...and they think they are correct.
This doesn't mean that everyone is correct. If we all have different worldviews then how do we see who is right?
The reason for arguing in an "indirect" way is because everyone argues [about their ultimate beliefs] in a circular fashion...we have talked about this before.
So...we have a multitude of different interpretations...which one can consistently give a reason for why things work?
The proper interpretation of the Bible does give an answer for why we have universal, absolute laws of thought [logic]. God is Spirit [immaterial] and this God created the material world. This God is holy and cannot lie therefore we have an absolute standard of truth that someone could contradict if they deviate from it. Because this God is the King of His creation then these laws of thought are for all mankind and not just "you pick your truth and I will pick mine".
The Christian can have an assurance that the future is going to be like the past because God is the covenant keeping God and He promised that He would continue the world in an orderly fashion. We have talked on the miracle thing. A miracle presupposes an other, orderly manner of things that the miracle stands out against. If you cannot know that the future is going to be like the past then you are basing science on one big “guess”.
And for morality...again God has given laws that reflect His moral perfection...to go against these laws is “sin”...because God created “all” people then these laws are universal. I also believe that men are responsible and I have a reason why. We live in a universe that is governed by a personal God, the Judge, when you break His laws you will answer for it. Even the Christian’s sins have to be punished. The Christians sins were punished and paid for in Jesus Christ, the God/man. He suffered on the Cross for the sins of His people, and paid their debt. He rose from the dead on the third day to show that He was the Son of God and that His sacrifice was accepted by God.
DL, you have failed. You have stated that you have made several attempts to justify your stance. This is not true. In the past you merely "stated" your stance but you did nothing in justifying it. In your last post you again merely “state” your position. You believe in logic, science and morality. Good for you. Now explain how these things work, in a manner consistent with your world view.
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